Our Agile Tales Podcast
I host the Our Agile Tales podcast with my colleague, Mun-Wai Chung. We interview a number of people that are changing the ways of working in areas like finance and HR, as well as in industries like healthcare, oil and gas, and the like.
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Our Agile Tales
Once upon a time, in an agile land, we navigate corporate levels and political waters to transform the business to be adaptable to this forever changing world. We are excited to share with you our agile journey. Enjoy our tales as we weave our stories together, sometimes with others, on our podcasts.
Welcome back to Our Agile Tales, where we continue our conversation with Bjarte Bogsnes to go over case studies from his latest book, This Is Beyond Budgeting. His new book distills nearly three decades of real-world experience challenging traditional budgeting, targets, and control-based management.
In this episode, we discuss the ingrained corporate budgeting practices, their inefficacies, and how to shift towards more adaptive, event-driven planning. The conversation also delves into the performance management debate and examines Handelsbanken's exceptional model, a bank that has successfully operated without traditional budgets, targets, or individual bonuses since the 1970s. Bjarte emphasizes the importance of separating accounting from forward-looking planning and highlights the impact of empowering employees and fostering transparency in achieving organizational success.
Key topics and approximate timestamps
- 00:00 Introduction to Agile Tales
- 01:08 Challenges with Traditional Budgeting
- 02:04 Separating Accounting from Forward Planning
- 03:49 The Importance of Dynamic Management
- 05:47 Rethinking Performance Management
- 09:42 Case Study: Handelsbanken
- 13:50 The Origins of Handelsbanken's Approach
- 17:59 The Evolution of Beyond Budgeting
- 20:46 Handelsbanken's Unique Management Model
- 29:30 Episode Conclusion
About Bjarte Bogsnes
Bjarte Bogsnes is the Chairman of the Beyond Budgeting Round Table, a former global finance executive, and a leading thinker in management innovation. He is the author of Implementing Beyond Budgeting and This Is Beyond Budgeting, where he distills nearly three decades of real-world experience challenging traditional budgeting, targets, and control-based management.
Bjarte's work demonstrates how organizations can replace rigid, calendar-driven systems with models built on trust, transparency, and adaptability. The result is creating companies that are not only more responsive but also more human.
You can follow Bjarte Bogsnes at https://www.linkedin.com/in/bjarte-bogsnes-41557910/
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