Our Agile Tales Podcast
I host the Our Agile Tales podcast with my colleague, Mun-Wai Chung. We interview a number of people that are changing the ways of working in areas like finance and HR, as well as in industries like healthcare, oil and gas, and the like.
The ten most recent episodes are below. They are available on major podcasting sites. You can click on the icons below to subscribe to your desired platform.
Our Agile Tales

Once upon a time, in an agile land, we navigate corporate levels and political waters to transform the business to be adaptable to this forever changing world. We are excited to share with you our agile journey. Enjoy our tales as we weave our stories together, sometimes with others, on our podcasts.
We are embarking on a transformative journey with Michael Hamman on Inner Agility: The Key to Business Agility on Our Agile Tales. Michael believes in the potential of the workplace as a catalyst for personal, professional, and social transformation. His work with many organizations, teams, and leaders has enabled them to embrace a greater holistic team and enterprise-level agility by nurturing their inner capacity for leadership agility in the face of the complexity, volatility, and uncertainty of the 21st-century world.
In this episode of Agile Tales, our discussion with Michael delves into the concepts of inner agility and its pivotal role in achieving business agility, highlighting Chris Argyris’ theories on espoused theory versus theory in use. Michael provides insights on the challenges of honest communication within organizations and the psychological strategies people employ to avoid discomfort. He emphasizes the importance of self-awareness and the limitations that our inner operating systems impose on our sensemaking and interactions. Michael also touches on the IDG's inner development goals and the need for methods that enhance our capacity for complex sense-making. The episode underlines that true organizational transformation stems from a deeper personal transformation and increased awareness of our underlying beliefs and assumptions.
00:00 Introduction to Agile Tales
01:13 Espoused Theory vs. Theory in Use
05:29 The Cost of Avoiding the Truth
06:53 Organizational Transformation and Human Change
11:10 Experience Wheel and Inner Agility
16:59 Understanding Our Inner Operating System
19:30 Developing Inner Capacity for Sustainable Goals
24:56 Enhancing Team Collaboration and Sensemaking
29:35 Conclusion
Michael Hamman is the author of Evolvagility: Growing an Agile Leadership Culture from the Inside Out. The book provides a blueprint for what it means to be an agile leader in today's complex world and offers a practical roadmap for getting there. He is the head of development at Transformation Designs and is a Co-creator at the Centre for Inner Agility.
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